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Anything you thought bad or good about the Storybrooke plot line! (Emma! Mary Margaret & David! August! Henry! Mother Superior! Archie! Mr. Gold, Mr. Glass & Regina! Just to name a few examples.)

Edited 2012-04-23 01:18 (UTC)

More of Rumpelstiltskin's back story. This episode falls maybe a short while after "Desperate Souls," and probably sheds a whole lot of light on the centuries later "Skin Deep." Bring me your everything thoughts! Baelfire (who is now our second missing person)! The Blue Fairy! Rumpelstiltskin's changing! The "one deal he broke"! There was so much here!

So no one was brand new this week, but we did have a close call with almost! So let's talk about Baelfire? Or the Mother Superior? Or the steps closer to figuring out who August is or isn't? Or the new existence of Magical Beans! And the genesis of The Dark Curse!

Edited 2012-04-23 02:52 (UTC)

Don't tell me you don't have theories after several moments that were put out there in front of us this evening. Bring all your feels and questional subjectivity and flailing about things proved right or wrong or waffling or still dreaming in your noggin.

What did you think? We know it's "The Stranger" episode, which lends to some theorizing itself, and the preview definitely gave some pause and intrigue to a whole lot of situations.

(It's over here on "The Stranger" wikia page already, too!)

This needs no explanation! Shake it out!

Toss anything here you'd like!

So, we've done this twice, and it seems to hold true, that people woulds like to keep doing this throughout the end of the season? I'm totally game.

Who's in?

Also, I know we have several do Hulu and later episode acquisition, so what about like a Monday night watching group as well? I'd completely be down (when not having plans) for tossing this together, as I'd love to let everyone have a group experience, and rewatchings make my heart soar!

Who'd be in for Monday's, too?

Edited 2012-04-23 01:47 (UTC)

I am very much down for the group watchings! Can't promise I could always do Mondays, but I am definitely in for Sunday nights.

I think after this week we're going to get SO AUGUST WHO ARE YOU REALLY.
AND. I. EMMA. SWORD. WHAT.

Oh maaaaaan how much did I call Kathryn being alive? This much. Now go talk to the gym teacher, honey, you two just might hit it off!
Also, I don't want to feel sorry for Sidney, but even I could tell he was lying, and it would have been obvious even if I'd somehow overlooked all the 'REGINA DID IT' moments.

POOR BAE
WHERE DID HE GO
IS HE STILL ALIVE SOMEWHERE OR DID HE GET TIMEY-WIMEYD OUT EARLIER IN THE REAL-WORLD TIMELINE

Totally the wrong journal, but what the hey:

This whole Emma's "super power" being quite defeated thing has been troubling me. I mean, we're supposedly to believe that she can tell when other people are lying. But Sidney Glass was standing in front of her being a turn coat for a really long time before she figured it out.

And there was someone else who did this, too, though now it's skipping my mind. Mostly the Sidney one made me frown a little. But I agree, this one was so obvious it was painful. The man couldn't even stand straight, talk straight or look straight at Emma.

And that painful awkward conversation silence after "Are you in love with her?"
That man needs serious help and a whole lot of damn hugging.

I was so sad this was not in this episode after it being part of the preview for this week. So now I'm not certain whether it's part of net week or a teaser to keep me lingering in wanting!

Where does the sword come from? Where! Whose is it? Also because Mary & David are holding hands in that, with everyone circling all together-together, whether it's real or a dream. I want to know ALL OF IT.

THREE left only THREE. *whimpers*

Edited 2012-04-23 11:49 (UTC)

I'm still going with what I said the first time I saw the sneak peek clip of the David & Kathryn Scene: WHY ISN'T SOMEONE APPING MAH GIRL KATHRYN? She's made of glorious beauty and grace in a hospital bed even.

I actually liked the David & Kathryn scene quite a lot. That it started with apologies, and a both the acknowledgement of them and the setting aside of them, because everyone actually felt like they didn't belong. I like that there is a an of intimacy there, sad and distant and not, the way you almost can't avoid being with an ex.

I need her to go find her gym teacher and be happy.

(Even if, yes, I understand that is ridic impossible in Storybrooke's Curse.)

Also. I want to know what basement she was kept in where. As much as I first wanted her to be in the same hospital basement, she can't have been there if it had to do with Gold freeing Kathryn. But you know, allll the things we don't know. All we know is car crash, basement, food, and bam a field.

I wwwwaaannttt to know. I want a Kathryn. She's so awesome.

Plus, somehow somewhere somewhen her letter needs to come up.

Okay, so half of my AWESOME HUGE AUGUST THEORY is wrong, but the other half I'm pretty positive is still true. All I have to do is hold out another seven days and I'll know for certain.

I'm not positive I have a theory anymore on where Bae is than I do Jefferson. Especially because Jefferson proved there are several worlds, with and without magic. We don't know Jefferson is in The Fairy Tale Land or Wonderland, any more than we know if Bae end up in The Storybrooke Real World. Especially since he's from centuries before most of the TFL story lines.

So....I don't know. I'm pondersome, but no theories there yet.

Not gonna lie. I giggled like child through the entire Blue Fairy & Rumpelstiltskin discussion/argument/thing. I do like seeing the dangling threads of what Rumpelstiltskin has against the Fairies and why he created The Dark Curse very neatly drawn up together.

I love that the Mother Superior totally talks back to him, and denies him everything, all gracefully unruffled, until her rent is threatened. She so adorable. Someone should totally play this woman on both sides, too, someday.

I am curious about their match-ups now, too. We've had the Blue Fairy referred to as the most powerful being ever now, whereas we recently had a quote rather like that about Rumpelstiltskin being the most powerful man alive, too.

Yet she's still trapped. And I'm wondering if she does have an idea of who she is.

Bae. Bae. Bae. My heart goes out to this tiny child so much. Watching so many people die around him suddenly, anytime any one so much as accidentally does something near him. How much he takes the weight of curing his father as being on himself entirely.

I. These two in the party! All of it just cements how very firm their foundation is. Emma being supportive about her having friends, and Mary Margaret actually being entirely honest about her feelings of being alone the day before.

And their silent conversations across the room, across the party, about David, that is mostly moving mouths and making faces? Priceless. I love them. I love them so much. They are an actually moving and working a solidified, solid, single unit since that choice at the end of "Hat Trick."

(And even? Her look of apologetic, sympathy for David's obvious plight, but her very to the point, very hestitationless loyalty to MM and MM's right to make that choice and be backed up instantly, especially in all things David now.)

II. Oh, Mary Margaret, you find new ways to steal my heart, every time I think you're done doing it. There are so many more markers of Snow in how she keeps walking away from David and her voice is demanding, unrelenting, honest.

And then everything she said to him. About how he wasn't there. (And adversely, when the world fell away, the only person who was there in the end, was Emma in the end of "Hat Trick" telling her to pick faith, which got us to I)

I felt my tiny heart break for her, and at the same time I wanted to applaud her. Because she's not allowing him to dictate it anymore, not the same ways she did in the beginning. Choosing to say that love is the reason that makes all of this sad, and choosing to keep Leroy's words: About not letting the present tarnish her best memories.

I have so many FEELS about this whole conversation. I respect the hell out of her, and her doing this. Forgiving him, but not forgetting, not being willing to move forward, not being willing to let it ruin her memories, completely willing to acknowledge she understands. And how none of that requires her to do anything else.

(....I just need to know how they get put back together now, too. Please, show? Please?)

III. Emma's scene at the end of the show with Regina. I totally gasped when she used the whole 'you tried to take someone I love' (/almost took Mary Margaret from her for) now I'm taking both of the people I consider family out of your grasp for good.

Oh, Girls. (Oh, the three generations of this family.)

(Laura. Laura. We moved from Family to Love. *flailiest hands*)

Edited 2012-04-23 04:15 (UTC)

Why are there things on the other desks in the office (like a secretary's desk, or the old deputy's desk) if there is absolutely no one else working here that is not Emma? Why does it never seem odd to Emma to be one of two people working in the Sheriff's department, and then one of one? Etc. Things. Details I'm supposed to avoid and can't.

Edited 2012-04-23 04:03 (UTC)

Gotta be honest. That was not how I expected any of those scenes to go.
I may be rewatching it a few times just to figure out my feelings here.

As a last thought, before I drop off and hit the hay for tonight, I really liked the Archie & Mr. Gold scene, or more aptly I was really, really in love with Archie and Archie being Jiminy even for Mr. Gold.

Handling the whole surprise of him being there, needing to talk to someone, having a son, and a son who wanted to kill him at that, and still hearing him out, intuiting the need for forgiveness (even if he gets the direction of it wrong).

"You have to be honest." My heart grew three sizes and I smiled my tiny smile. God. I love this show to itty bitty pieces and I can't stop rambling comments tonight.

AS THE PLAYER OF GRAHAM, I WONDERED THIS FROM THE BEGINNING.

I doooon't really get how the Sheriff's office, which extends even beyond the jail-cell and small space + office we get to see, is only employed by one Graham before Emma shows up, and now only Emma.

Weeeeird.

I'd totally be in for a Monday evening (re)watch!

Mostly because I'm on a different timezone so I wouldn't be able to live-watch anyway (all the sadfaces), and the only reason I got to watch it tonight was because I was at my friend's place and she had it recorded because she's a huge Once nerd too.

Oh, Mary Margaret, you find new ways to steal my heart, every time I think you're done doing it. There are so many more markers of Snow in how she keeps walking away from David and her voice is demanding, unrelenting, honest.

THIS.

I turned to my friend during this scene and was like, "OH MAN. I LOVE HOW SHE IS NOT TAKING CRAP FROM DAVID RIGHT NOW."

MM is such a tiny little badass; it's so refreshing to see her break out of that timid shell, getting little glimpses of Snow White.

Haha, I was going to make a comment about the whole 'lying power' too!

I just don't know why/how Emma could suddenly have ~lost~ this ability to tell when people are lying! Sidney, August, Jefferson ... idk.

Mmmmmaaaybe it has something to do with the Curse and its effects on people, like a darker deeper magic is at work that ~clouds~ Emma's judgment and ability or something? I'd really like to think the writers were not simply lazy on having something that was mentioned several times earlier in the season suddenly stop ... happening.

But also: AUGH. MM and David kill me. Every scene they have. David's ~manly tears~ - all of it just. Kills. Me.

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