farfar_aways | New Episode Discussions Post

Where to even start -- Emma & Regina & Henry & Gold! And everything ever in the hospital, good and bad and worse and holywhat! Jefferson & Regina & Belle & Gold! Mary Margaret and David! August's eventuality!

Oh, yes. And lets not forget our newest friends -- The Return of Everyone's Memory and The Big Purple Cloud.

Edited 2012-05-14 02:01 (UTC)

I am a massive fan of the reformed villain story. Massive. I get behind the glorious bastard with a broken heart faster than white gets on rice. So I've had a quiet fascination with watching Regina. I like her curse situation and the repercussions we've been playing with. I've wanted to see far more about that than we've gotten since the story is very Charming's POV.

I've never been entirely certain of my Henry thought until last night. On one hand, last night semi-formed my thoughts on two things. 1. That Regina loves, not just cares, about Henry. 2. That Henry is least safe with Regina.

Not because she's The Evil Queen, and does what shes going through and worse to people every day for a good four decades counting both worlds) and not because I'm parroting Emma as any stellar example of motherhood. 1.21 and 1.22 show us enough to that degree, too. This is because Mal solidified something I'd hoped they wouldn't. In one season we've been give the only four/five people Regina liked/loved (who didn't die at someone else's hands. Sorry, Daniel.)

This is what's happened to them:

Father / Henry: Killed to enact a spell, for revenge

Lover /Graham: Killed by heart squish, for having free will/saying no

New Friend / Katherine Nolan: Arranged for the murder of, had heated argument/blow up when she wasn't dead

Only Friend /Mal: Left as a dragonin a dungeon 28 years, then killed without any request to spare her

Henry is the Only Person left in that box.

I want her reform story (circa several people and reasons), but I'm leery about that reform story being left on a ten year old's shoulders (the same way I was with Emma's being in his shoulders). It's an incredibly unpleasant rap sheet. And unchanging pattern all year, not in how she treats everyone but in how she treats those she does love/care about.

As much as I was so moved by her tears all night, and it was heartbreaking because she does care, I'm as leery of that love as I am of us leaving with our last season one look at her being on her dark little smirk about getting to have untold power shortly instead of still on Henry.

Edited 2012-05-14 18:29 (UTC)

So now that you engineered everything for like forty decades, including two people staying alive and the birth of a child of Magic-True love, the fall of a world, watched all impartial, playing God, while lots of people went through hell under Regina's rule, including you, and literally moved everyone like chess pieces, including yourself (given your not waking up until Emma's name) -- do we get to know why? Is it all still about Bae? About having the power to find him in a world without magic?

(Which.....way to miss your son's point and your love's if so.)

Or Is your plan bigger than that? Do you replace Regina as the focal chaotic-neutral villain in season two?

(I feel gipped my Regina-Rumplestiltskin scene post Belle reveal, too. I want that scene.)

I am not so secure in seeing your redemption story anywhere on my screen right now either.

You know what's a bad idea? Unleashing magic on everyone.
Especially if it is just to find Bae, because... dude, EMMA WAS A BOUNTY HUNTER AND SHE OWES YOU A FAVOR, DIPSHIT. That might have been useful!
But, on top of missing Bae and Belle's point... magic evens the playing field. I think in a pure non-magical battle of wits, Gold would win, but he just gave Regina all her power back, after she'd used the last little bit of it in the last episode to get her apple.

Im thinking things I did not expect to be today. This morning one of the Once twitter comms I follow put out a call for opinions on 'Henry's lack of reaction to Regina's last words to him.' I've been watching them pop up on the comms retweet all day. And it's been making me think.

You cannot deny th show has given us the whole gamut of from-Regina-to-Henry scenes from dictator to heartbroken with loss. We know *she* loves him. But. I need people to help me: do we have scenes of from-Henry-to-Regina displaying love or tenderness that I'm forgetting?

Fill me in! I can't remember the whole season! I'm relying on you! Pls?

I don't Henry's lack of reaction was necessarily a condemnation. And I would even hesitate to call it a lack of reaction. I saw a lot of conflict in his face as he was looking at Regina, not the harshness of calling her the Evil Queen. He could have reamed her out -- AGAIN -- but he didn't. He hesitated. I think that hesitation is telling. You and I have talked a lot about how the Charmings match up -- MM and Henry, Emma and not!James -- and I think that his Snow-like characteristics are coming into play here again. I think his naturally compassionate nature kept him from laying into her and pointing out that he's been right all along.

But it can't be denied that his relationship with Regina is strained, to say the least. She says she loves him and I don't doubt it, but her love, as you pointed out earlier, is just as destructive as her hatred. Maybe even more so. Whereas he's only recently come to the conclusion that she's the Evil Queen and needs to be stopped, but has been seeing Archie for longer, so clearly there were ongoing issues early on.

I guess it's a long way around of saying I think his feelings towards Regina are probably way too complex to simplify as "he loves her" or "he doesn't love her." She was all he knew as family for a long time, but one he thought he could find a different family, he threw himself into it. That's not the mark of a happy child. What we've seen from him towards her, I think, is mainly indifference ranging briefly into despising her, but now that the Curse is broken, he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that people really are going to hunt her down.

So we continued Prince (Not!)James's story between The Pilot and his Wedding a few steps, brought in The Huntsman (who's saved/protected both parents now), Maleficent (in both her forms) and Rumpelstiltskin (who's mechanizing the whole chess board of people).

Go to!

I just freakin' love my pup.

I just - augh. He is SO AWESOME and heroic and kick-ass. And eeeee!

But this is not about the Huntsman.

I just want to express all of my feels ever re: Snow and Charming in FTL. I just love the look on Snow's face when Charming proposes and she stares at the ring on her finger. It's just ... idk, really cute to see her looking at it like it suits her perfectly when episodes ago, she was all, 'This doesn't suit me.'

JUST. UGH.

Their true love appeals to the romantic in me.

And yes, it is SUPER Disney movie, but Charming and his cape swooshing? SO. PERFECT. It is Ultimate in Prince Charming-ness. And I just - my friend and I squeaked SO LOUD when it happened. It's just too cute.

THEY ARE TOO CUTE.

*giggles so hard*

Hearts. In. Mah. Eyes. And. Tears.

The look on her face when he proposes. How they're going to do everything from now on -- together. I flailed happily at that line. They had so much hope and faith and magic.

THE CLOAK IS BEYOND REPROACH. SO STORYBOOK. :D :D :D

I loved it. I watched gif's of it through today as tumblr giggled about it. I love this show for letting us be five years old again in all the very very best ways.

They are the OTP to end all OTP's for this canon (thus far?). What with a kiss that doesn't simply save them, but heals the whole land around them from episode one. Being all linked. Their True Love owns me hook, line, sinker.

Especially when these two finally meet again in SB. The names and then just, no one has words at first. They are just all hands and eyes and this gasping almost inability to speak at all. Because they have each other. Because they've always been right here, unable to stop loving each other or see each other at the same time.

It's so. SO. My heart. Tiny squeaky breathy scene.

I love this show for letting us be five years old again in all the very very best ways.

THIS SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH. I just love getting to relive all of those Disney movies, but in live-action, bendy, twisty, new-things-are-happening ways. It is just - I think that's why I love this show so much. It's nostalgia + a new flavour because we're all grown-up now added together to create something so damned wonderful.

No brand new characters, but we had return appearances ofout! the following: The Huntsman (who saves David, even as he can't leave himself), Jefferson (who's going a little more mad, threatening Regina & freeing Belle), Maleficent (as herself, and a dragon on both side, and how that played out), and Belle (who is freed and gets a creeeepy reunion).

Fall out! I can't wait to see what you all thought.

Oh. Mal. It's so official now.

You have the absolute worst 28 years of The Curse.

And I thought it would be impossible to top Jefferson.

Edited 2012-05-14 18:52 (UTC)

Right? Poor Mal! And then she gets all exploded!

Also, I am now SO GLAD Henry couldn't explore the mines further. Considering, you know, DRAGON.

Totally saved both Charming & Snow! Eee!

I want to see the adventures of The Huntsman & Prince Charming now!

I want him to return in the episodes about taking back the kingdom, too!

Edited 2012-05-14 18:52 (UTC)

THIS.

THIS.

ALL OF THIS.

And no, not even just because I am a selfish mun who would like more of her pup on-screen.

Emma in my head got SO HAPPY at seeing him onscreen. SO HAPPY.

Graham/Huntsman is such a complete fucking hero and I need more of him like breathing.

Every time Regina tells you that you don't have it in you to kill her I believe it less.

Especially this time, when she wants you to care about in her life what she doesn't in yours.

At least you get Grace back thanks to True Love's Kiss/The Breaking of The Curse right now, too?

I just want to say that sending Belle to Rumpelstiltskin was the most ingenious way to murder Regina that I have ever heard of.

Haa. Well said. I hadn't even thought of it that way.

But. Oh my god. How true is that.

As Belle is totally Gold's grenade pin.

Belle~

Oh, Belle.

I agree re: creeeeeeepy reunion. And I just have SO MANY ugh feels for Rumpel and what he's clearly unleashed for next season, and how this is HAPPENING ALL OVER AGAIN with the thirst for power clouding everything else.

Belle, gurrrl. You had better kick Rumpel's ass. :|

And having said that, I am super glad to see Belle out of the hospital. I cannot wait to see her role explored in greater detail next season, since she'll be right near Rumpel for some of it, at least.

Edited 2012-05-14 23:15 (UTC)

At first when Rumpel hugged Belle, I was all teary eyed, and throwing pillows at the tv for making me care so much. Then, in that same "stay hear while I kill the maid" tone he tells Belle he has something to take care of. OH dear.

Yes, exactly! Oh, MAN. Their reunion in the shop was really, really tearworthy.

But then.

Yeeeeeeeeah.

OH RUMPEL. WHYYYY.

Don't tell me you don't have theories after several moments that were put out there in front of us this evening. Bring all your feels and questional subjectivity and flailing about things proved right or wrong or waffling or still dreaming in your noggin.

Edited 2012-05-14 01:46 (UTC)

We obviously have no preview this week as we're now into the summer long haul, and we really have very little idea of where we might be going. Speculation and thoughts about anything from that ending, what it might mean, where we might be going, and all else welcome here!

What will things look like once the smoke (SO reminiscent of the BLACK SMOKE monster from Lost) clears?

And what about all of the people in Storybrooke, now that they remember everything? What will they be like? How will they act?

Does this also mean people can now come and go from Storybrooke, or are they still restricted to it?

AND WILL MAGIC INFECT THE WORLD?

I have more questions than actualfax theories/thoughts.

This needs no explanation! Shake it out!

Toss anything here you'd like!

August.

Here's hoping very hard that cloud gave him back his body.
Or The Blue Fairy very quickly will do so on the other side.

(Even if the whole of everything is about to come out.)

Just so long as they don't screw it up and do something stupid like, give him back his body he had - age-wise - from when he left FTL.

That would be insane. I really hope they don't.

I don't quite remember who I promised to this at the end of last week, but someone mentioned they never saw the community updates except when I tagged everyone on Twitter. There's a brilliant solve for that:

On the profile, you'll see the below image. On the furthest right is a track button, which you can get the community to send you an e-mail every time there's an update entry.

Conveniently will send one or two e-mails a week as that is all movement the group has seen lately, but totally more reliable! (It's good for the ways back, too!)
Enjoy!

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